Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Larry Holden

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The result was delete. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:57, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Larry Holden

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Fails WP:NACTOR; none of his roles are significant enough, including his collaborations with Christopher Nolan. The Film Creator (talk) 20:15, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. The Film Creator (talk) 20:15, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:32, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I disagree, especially in regards to his Nolan roles. Prominent supporting roles in all three. NACTOR to me is sufficiently satisfied. Rusted AutoParts 22:36, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: ... and I disagree that those roles were "prominent." In Batman Begins, he's not listed among the ten leading actors in the Wikipedia article, and wasn't billed in the top dozen. In Memento, he's the last billed actor in the credits. In Insomnia, the overly extensive plot summary in the Wikipedia article doesn't mention his character at all. Somewhat helpfully, there's a crazed listmaker on IMDB who lists every actor in Christopher Nolan movies by screentime, and according to the list [1], Holden has exactly six minutes screentime in all three movies combined. There are NO reliable sources in the article, nor any evidence the subject meets the GNG. Just another Tinseltown just-some-guy. Ravenswing 05:00, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good thing we don’t use some random dudes IMDB list as a reason why an article should be deleted. Same with whether or not his name is in the top chunk of the cast list. Point remains, he had roles in those films that played a part, it’s not “Courthouse Lawyer #4” or “Bar Patron”. Rusted AutoParts 18:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

NACTOR requires considerably more than "having a role in the movie," and if you're not aware of that, you shouldn't be creating acting bios. I've seen evidence that Holden's performances were bit parts with minimal screen time. You haven't proffered a single scrap of evidence to the contrary, so you'll perhaps pardon me if I pay more credence to someone's recorded observations (which we all are, by virtue of watching the movies, capable of verifying) than to your ... nothing at all.

Come to that, you created the article on this obscure actor with nothing more of a source than the funeral home-supplied online obit, which is just this side of worthless. Why no genuine sources? Do you have a COI to disclose? Ravenswing 22:46, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No? Where the hell did that come from? No relations of any kind to the actor, just found you citing some dude's IMDB list and that he isn't in "the top dozen" names in a cast list extremely goofy. Feel free to cite NACTOR all you wish, that's the most valid thing to cite, not this IMDB crap. Rusted AutoParts 00:27, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Where that came from was in the inexplicable creation of a biographical article on a no-name actor, sourced only from a funeral home's webpage obituary ... something that's not only extremely goofy, but is characteristic of classic COI behavior. Ravenswing 04:58, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It came up when I googled the guy, that's it. No familial ties, no friend of a friend, I never met him or have any connections whatsoever. Rusted AutoParts 05:30, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not enough significant roles to pass WP:NACTOR and current sources are not sufficient to pass WP:GNG. Suonii180 (talk) 10:31, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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